You know those times when something is so tragic that you think that it’s time for the clowns to come in and distract from what is going on around you? This is one of those times, within Fundamentalism, when we’d call for this, if it wasn’t for the fact that the clowns are the ones in the midst of the debacle.
When Jack Schaap made the mistake of stating the fact that the King James Version isn’t inspired, he brought down the wrath of Fundamentalism upon him. Never mind the fact that he’s right in pointing out the difference between preservation and inspiration, Jack Schaap is now in the somewhat uncomfortable position of explaining why he really holds to what Jack Hyles taught on the issue. From every side, the attacks from people claiming to be more Hyles than him are coming.
Jack Schaap speaks on Inspiration
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Dr Anderson’s Letter to Jack Hyles(I thought he was dead), Jack Schaap, and all HAC’ers
Gail “The Ripper” Riplinger’s 75 page rebuttal to Jack Schaap
HAC Alumni Website(Not endorsed by HAC)
The Sword of the Lord–Although you’ll have to buy their bird cage liner…uhhh…I mean newsletter…to find out what they have to say.
And of course, there’s always comments from the peanut gallery(including this blog post).
JackHammer Blog On Schaap and the KJV Controversy pt 1
JackHammer Blog on Schaap and the KJV Controversy pt 2
JackHammer Blog on Schaap and the KJV Controversy pt 3
Unfortunately, most of the views held by the people in this discussion are unbiblical. Which is why I’ve titled this post, “Send In The Clowns.” The KJV is not the inspired word of God. It’s not the “only accurate word of God in the English language”. This idea that the KJV is the only accurate translation for those who speak English(or in super-hyper-fundy land, for anybody–English speaker or not), is outside the realm of Biblical orthodoxy.
Tags: King James Version
#1 written by Michele March 13th, 2009 at 18:42
As far as I am concerned, the “I don’t have a Bible” crowd like yourselves are welcome to Jack Schapp.
He’s his own authority, just like you “formers” claim to be.
Isn’t that funny? You “former” fundies have way more in common with Jack Schapp than Bible Believing Fundamentalist ever could!
#2 written by Jennifer March 13th, 2009 at 19:31
Former fundys have a habit of thinking through what they see and hear like the Bereans did, Michele. Paul (and obviously God through Paul) felt that was commendable.
Take what you hear and compare it to Scripture. You can’t compare it to what other men have said. Men do not=God. Only God=God.
When you truly look to what men say verses what the Bible says, it’s easy to see why they left extreme fundamentalism.
You should try it some time. Sola Scriptura.
#3 written by Michele March 13th, 2009 at 20:06
It is from 2000 years or so ago, but here is a news flash for you. The Bereans didn’t “think” through what they were told. They referred to the Word of God.
Acts 17:10 ¶And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
#4 written by Michele March 13th, 2009 at 20:08
Interestingly enough, since you folks don’t really have anything that you believe is the Word of God, you use your “thoughts” as your highest authority.
#5 written by Kent March 13th, 2009 at 21:45
Do any of you that write on this blog know the original languages? I’m asking, because I preach my sermons from them every week. Tell me how much Greek you have taken and then taught. I just want to know who is calling me a clown.
#6 written by ReformedFundy March 14th, 2009 at 04:43
Kent-Nobody called you a clown. You were included, along with me, in the peanut gallery. I want to know what the original languages comment has to do with this post.
#7 written by ReformedFundy March 14th, 2009 at 05:09
And here’s a link to a PDF copy of the recent Church Bus News that lambasted Jack Schaap. http://www.theirvins.com/Files/KJV_only.pdf
#8 written by Jennifer March 14th, 2009 at 06:38
Michele, did you not see where I said “sola scriptura?”? Seriously, did you miss that?
Have you ever taken the time to compare the versions for yourself? Seriously, have you ever done that? If you did, you would find that even the NIV translates some words better than KJV does. (And I don’t like the NIV.)
If reading the Word of God is not supposed to make you think, then what in the world is it for? We are supposed to conform ourselves to the image of Christ. We cannot conform to Christ when we conform to the image of man. You may become what a man thinks you should be, but have you ever taken time out to see what God would have you to be?
#9 written by Michele March 14th, 2009 at 07:38
Jennifer, you probably don’t know this, but you are exchanging comments with a woman who long ago stopped caring one iota what any man or woman thought I could or should be.
#10 written by Jennifer March 14th, 2009 at 08:21
Why does that not surprise me?
Why is thinking such a bad word for you? Christianity and logic are not mutually exclusive. Paul was extremely logical. You seem to suppose that because we reject secondary and tertiary “fundamentals” that we have resorted to heresy. This is not true. We reject those because they are not fundamentals.
The fundamentals are things like God’s holiness and righteousness, Christ’s perfection and virgin birth…not Bible versions and pants on women.
And you did not respond to the questions I asked.
#11 written by Marc March 16th, 2009 at 04:52
Kent – if you’re a clown, it is only evident because you responded in that manner to this post.
For the record I do not write here, but I took two years of Greek and did rather well. Hebrew is still on my to-do list, but we can’t all be perfect. Tell me, does preaching from the “original” languages confuse your congregation? I mean, I have actually never heard anyone speak koine Greek – I was sure it was an archaic language. I find your post intriguing…
Michele, no one here has any idea of that which you speak. Jennifer, get used to it. They never actually answer questions.
#12 written by Marc March 16th, 2009 at 05:00
Oh, and Will, two of your links are inoperable.
The one that links to Anderson’s “open” letter and the 75-page rebuttal from Riplinger. FYI
#13 written by Michele March 16th, 2009 at 08:15
Jennifer you insinuate that fundamentalist are not thinkers like the Bereans. When in fact, the Bereans didn’t just “think.”
They compared everything they were told with Scripture. But for those of you who have no authority, have no Bible, you can not ever be as a Berean.
You make yourself your own authority.
#14 written by ReformedFundy March 16th, 2009 at 14:38
Michele, I think you have once again, totally missed the point. Or do you think that reading the Bible and comparing it to what the apostles said is a totally mindless activity that requires no thinking whatsoever?
#15 written by Reforming Baptist March 18th, 2009 at 00:13
Kent,
You don’t have to throw around your credentials to prove anything. Don’t get so defensive. Geeeezz